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September 21
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September 21, 2024
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September 20
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September 20, 2024
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RD: David Graham
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:
- Nominated by Ollieisanerd (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Holl194 (talk · give credit) and SugarRat (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: British actor Ollieisanerd (talk • contribs) 22:46, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
RD: Ibrahim Aqil
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian, Reuters
Credits:
- Nominated by Prodrummer619 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Personally I would say "Wait" on this since it may grow into an ITN discussion (Israel says 10 senior commanders were killed Barrons) Prodrummer619 (talk) 17:01, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment shouldn't this be Ibrahim Aqil (militant) rather than disambiguation by organisation name? Abcmaxx (talk) 21:10, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
RD: Geoffrey Hinsliff
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC, Sky News, The Independent
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Flipandflopped (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
British actor who played a major character on the television soap opera Coronation Street for over ten years. I have updated the article (although I was not logged in, oops) to include his Coronation Street accomplishments. Have already updated the article and skimmed through to address any non-cited claims. FlipandFlopped ツ 00:45, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Almost Ready. The Filmography section needs to be sourced. It is also tagged as a stub, so if any other information can be written about the subject, that'd be great. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁=☁=✈) 06:28, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
September 19
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September 19, 2024
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September 18
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September 18, 2024
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RD: Nick Gravenites
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Deadline Hollywood
Credits:
- Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:D41F:54E5:B447:E0BB (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Ghmyrtle (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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American blues musician. 240F:7A:6253:1:D41F:54E5:B447:E0BB (talk) 02:22, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose It's always the unsourced discography that holds musician articles up. Bremps... 03:04, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Not Ready. Due to the usual reason. The Discography section along with two paragraphs in the biography needs sources. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁=☁=✈) 06:19, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
2024 Armenian coup attempt allegations
[edit]Blurb: The government of Armenia announced it had thwarted a coup attempt by a Russian-back militia to topple the government of Nikol Pashinyan. (Post)
News source(s): Politico Radio Free Europe
Credits:
- Created and nominated by Scu ba (talk · give credit)
The Armenian intelligence service announced it has thwarted a pro-Russian coup by elements of a Russian financed, trained, and equipped militia. Scuba 00:47, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Let's wait for some more information to trickle in. How would a coup with less than a dozen people have worked? Bremps... 02:39, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- oppose there is nothing reliable about this accusation. The article shouldn't even exist. There are no protests now either. There'd be some reaction on the ground if this was anything but a nothing-burger.Sportsnut24 (talk) 05:00, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Wait For the moment, it seems to be an Armenian government claim. We'll see if any further info comes out. The Kip (contribs) 21:45, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
RD: Dusko Doder
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Times
Credits:
- Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)
- Updated by ForsythiaJo (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Obit published 18 September. Needs expansion. Thriley (talk) 18:29, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Not Ready. Just a single sentence with little to almost nothing written. Per nom, this article will need some serious work and expansion. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁=☁=✈) 23:44, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
(Closed) UN demands Israeli withdrawl from Palestine
[edit]The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Blurb: The United Nations General Assembly votes 124–12 to demand Israel end its occupation of Palestinian territories within 12 months. (Post)
News source(s): Reuters
Credits:
- Nominated by GeorgeMemulous (talk · give credit)
- Wait until a separate article be created. Rynoip (talk) 21:23, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Meaningless unless either Israel withdraws or someone enforces the decision. For now, nothing actually changes. Noah, BSBATalk 22:46, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose the ICJ ruling was one thing, and a Security Council resolution would be another, but GA resolutions are non-binding - they usually hold little weight and rarely hold long-term significance. In addition, this doesn’t really change anything; the position of the UN on the OPT and Israeli occupation has been stated/reaffirmed repeatedly in the past, this is just doing so again. Only real unique significance is this being the first time Palestine itself has introduced the resolution, but I don’t think that meets the bar for ITN. The Kip (contribs) 23:17, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Also worth noting there's no distinct article yet, and the currently-listed target is a poor fit. The Kip (contribs) 03:52, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose it's non binding, so per The Kip, is going to have little impact. Masem (t) 23:19, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose A non-binding resolution seems meaningless. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 23:40, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose It's non-binding, and already covered by Ongoing. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 02:50, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support regardless of the UN's ability to enforce the decision, it is still a UN resolution. Scuba 02:59, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Per The Kip, the ruling won't be enforced or recognized by the powers engaged in said occupation so its a bit of a moot point. Dozens of UN Resolutions pass regularly, many with regards to ongoing conflicts or international situations. Ornithoptera (talk) 06:16, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
RD: Salvatore Schillaci
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Il Post, BBC, La Gazzetta dello Sport, La Stampa
Credits:
- Nominated by Oltrepier (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Nicopicchio (talk · give credit), Nick.mon (talk · give credit), PeeJay (talk · give credit) and Diademchild (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
A former professional footballer and full international for Italy; he was best known for winning both the Golden Ball and the Golden Boot at the 1990 FIFA World Cup and finishing second at the Ballon d'Or of the same year. Rest in peace. Oltrepier (talk) 09:14, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Needs a little work need some citations for career statistics otherwise pretty good, rip. 2407:E400:D004:BA01:41B9:4789:E394:2B10 (talk) 09:39, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: The article should be in decent shape now, aside of a phrase that needs attention for some evident citing overkill. Oltrepier (talk) 08:03, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
(Closed) 2024 Shenzhen knife attack
[edit]The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Blurb: No blurb specified (Post)
News source(s): BBC, CNN, Reuters, Reuters again
Credits:
- Nominated by Di (they-them) (talk · give credit)
- Updated by TheLonelyPather (talk · give credit)
Article updated
- Oppose Relatively little coverage outside of region, scale of attack isn't widespread though tragic. Kcmastrpc (talk) 15:25, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Singular person dies via murder. Not earth-shattering nor out of the ordinary. Kline • talk • contribs 15:56, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per Kline. Certainly tragic, but an incident in which a single non-famous person is attacked/murdered simply doesn't meet the bar for ITN. The Kip (contribs) 17:10, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose shouldn't even be an article,clearly fails NOTNEWS. Maybe there is a place for violence against foreignors in China, but do not need individual articles of such small scale events with non notable individuals. Masem (t) 17:15, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose, per others. Ultimately, this seems to be a very small-scale attack, and one that does not appear to have wider consequences that warrant inclusion in ITN. ArkHyena (talk) 22:31, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. Good faith nom. As much as shocking this incident sounds for Japan (as it is receiving widespread coverage by the Japanese media), this unfortunatly doesn't meet ITN standards. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁=☁=✈) 23:38, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
September 17
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September 17, 2024
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RD: JD Souther
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Variety, LA Times
Credits:
- Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:E924:4E1B:C314:5996 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Johndavies837 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
American singer-songwriter. 240F:7A:6253:1:E924:4E1B:C314:5996 (talk) 04:10, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Some WP:PROSELINE issues prevent this from being posted on the main page. Bremps... 06:47, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Not enough citations on the article Rynoip (talk) 22:41, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
(Ready) RD: Tyrone C. Fahner
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Chicago Tribune
Credits:
- Nominated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Article updated and well sourced. Death announced on this date. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 23:10, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support Article seems sufficient in terms of covering his life and well-cited. Bremps... 03:54, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support per above. Rynoip (talk) 21:23, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) 2024 Lebanon pager explosions
[edit]Blurb: Across Lebanon and Syria, pagers used by Hezbollah explode, killing multiple people and injuring thousands. (Post)
Alternative blurb: At least nine people are killed and over 2,800 are injured after pagers used by Hezbollah members explode in Lebanon.
Alternative blurb II: At least nine people are killed and over 2,800 are injured after pagers used by Hezbollah members explode in Lebanon and Damascus, Syria.
News source(s): Guardian, NYT
Credits:
- Nominated by Sandstein (talk · give credit)
- Created by Galamore (talk · give credit)
Novel and creative escalation in the Israel-Hezbollah conflict (which is not in ongoing, unlike the Israel-Hamas conflict). Sandstein 17:21, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Actually was just creating a nom for this, added my proposed blurb as an alt.--Sunshineisles2 (talk) 17:27, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- I left out the estimated casualty numbers because these are prone to change in the days to come. Sandstein 17:31, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- I was under the impression that this falls under ongoing Israel-Hamas war? Israel–Hezbollah conflict (2023–present) started one day after and in direct response to the conflict in Gaza and Hezbollah has made calm with Israel conditional on a ceasefire in Gaza[1].VR (Please ping on reply) 17:31, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- If for some reason the two are separate, then Israel–Hezbollah conflict should be added to ongoing too, which would make this blurb redundant.VR (Please ping on reply) 17:32, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- In a broader sense both Israel–Hamas war and Israel–Hezbollah conflict (2023–present) are theatres of the regional conflict between Iran, Israel and their respective allies, but currently we have only Israel–Hamas war in ongoing. Sandstein 17:33, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support The novelty and notability on this escalation are salient. Even if there were an ongoing (and there is not) I'd likely still lean towards supporting a blurb given the singularity of this event. Kcmastrpc (talk) 17:43, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Strong Support An interesting topic, as well as the blurb. Also this event can be considered as a biggest security breach, more than a month after the Assassination of Ismail Haniyeh. --cyrfaw (talk) 17:47, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment – The sentence reads like Hezbollah triggered the explosions. Should we add "due to a security breach"? FunLater (talk) 17:53, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- The expulsions are really a security breach similar to the one that occurred in Iran last month. The blurb should be improved further since the organization has nothing to do with her --cyrfaw (talk) 17:59, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose, covered by ongoing the Israel-Hezbollah conflict is considered part of the Israel-Hamas conflict per our articles. (we just had a nom that considered making it a separate ongoing but that didn't gain traction). It is a separate theater but it's very much tied to what's happening in the Gaza strip. Masem (t) 17:58, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
It's more tied to what's happening in Netanyahu's mind.(Strike as Netanyahu's mind is no longer "ongoing"...) Martinevans123 (talk) 20:30, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Strong support – Major suspected attack in Lebanon with nearly 3,000 injuries, a major escalation in the reignited Hezbollah–Israel conflict. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 18:02, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support – Though it can be argued that it's covered by ongoing, I think it is a very serious and rare escalation notable enough of a blurb. Prodrummer619 (talk) 18:11, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support. While covered by the ongoing item, this is sufficiently unique and the number of casualties (double digits deaths apparently now and thousands of injuries) merits posting. -- Patar knight - chat/contributions 20:06, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support Almost incredible. Netanyahu coincidentally Tweeted about withdrawal of Israeli civilians from the North yesterday? Martinevans123 (talk) 20:32, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support not only is it a big escalation, but the way Israel did so is crazy. Scuba 20:35, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support per Patar knight, somewhat covered by ongoing but unusual/escalatory enough it probably merits posting. The Kip (contribs) 20:56, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support an important news and widely covered.
- Wait The article has a rainbow of multiple cleanup/dispute tags. And the technical details of the incident(s) still seem uncertain and subject to much speculation. Andrew🐉(talk) 22:05, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality issues for now.VR (Please ping on reply) 22:38, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Wait and oppose Hezbollah mention - The page clearly still needs cleanup and the situation is developing. Many of those caught in the attacks do not seem to have a clear connection to Hezbollah, so while this may have been intended to target members of that organisation it could also have been a more general terrorist attack against pager users in the country (with Hezbollah happening to be a major user of pagers in the country) and it is not only misleading but potentially dangerous to jump the gun in making assumptions here. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 22:41, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- 'Support. Large number of casualties. The news is making international headlines. – Anne drew
- Support on notability sheer scale of injuries together with the highly unusual tactics deployed makes this notable. Cleanup tags need to be addressed first before posting. FlipandFlopped ツ 23:47, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Wait, then Support Page needs a bit of clean-up and development. Other than that, this is unique and is significant enough to exclude it from the "covered by ongoing" argument in my opinion. This type of attack has never been seen on such a massive scale, and the damages could be tremendous. Hungry403 (talk) 02:33, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support Front-page news across the world. Noah, BSBATalk 02:45, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Immediate Support Should be up for tomorrow. Alexysun (talk) 02:56, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- oppose per masem. unless there is something bigger out of this in retaliation.
- Also the article ays lebanon and the blurb says syria.Sportsnut24 (talk) 03:16, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- oppose per masem. unless there is something bigger out of this in retaliation.
- Support - unusual event, global coverage. Significant per Hungry403. Mjroots (talk) 05:34, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Posted. I find that there is a WP:ROUGHCONSENSUS to post, and that the articles, while they could use improvement, are nevertheless serviceable. El_C 05:56, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- There is a tag on there that held up posts for Fujimori. So why does this get through?Sportsnut24 (talk) 08:14, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Sportsnut24: the article is tag-free, as it was when I added my support at 05:34. Mjroots (talk) 09:40, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Mjroots @El C, as evidenced by the talk page, it still has several outstanding POV issues. The tag was removed prematurely.VR (Please ping on reply) 12:11, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Sportsnut24: the article is tag-free, as it was when I added my support at 05:34. Mjroots (talk) 09:40, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- @El C Change the title to mention communication devices in general instead of just pagers per the recent developments. Reuters Prodrummer619 (talk) 15:02, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Briefly because I'm writing in haste. I stand by my decision and am not pulling the blurb. Any other requests can be handled by any other admin. Thank you. El_C 23:21, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- There is a tag on there that held up posts for Fujimori. So why does this get through?Sportsnut24 (talk) 08:14, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- NOTE there is a big orange tag on the article, which is this allowed on the page? It should be pulled until sorted, like fujimori.2A00:F3C:A282:0:5097:3DB:7890:50B7 (talk) 06:11, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- This is a contentious topic and so has all the usual aggravation and issues that they generate. The article still has a big orange {{POV}} tag, just like it did when I commented above. And the technical scope of of the topic has expanded since as it's not just pagers.
- As this is obviously part of the general Arab-Israeli conflict, we should perhaps leave all such to Ongoing.
- Andrew🐉(talk) 06:50, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Is it an Arab-Israel conflict? The major Arab nations are not involved. And perhaps the biggest issue is non-Arabic Iran. As Israeli troops move further into Lebanon, and Gazify it, we'll have to make this ongoing - presumably combined with Gaza. Is there a name for a group that consists of Hezbollah, Hamas, Houthi, and Iran, etc.? Nfitz (talk) 02:20, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- These and other similar groups all seem to be part of Militant Islamism in the Middle East. They seem to be generally committed to Pan-Islamism rather than the nation states which are partly a relic of earlier colonial empires. Andrew🐉(talk) 14:50, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Terrorists. 107.122.193.77 (talk) 16:02, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Is it an Arab-Israel conflict? The major Arab nations are not involved. And perhaps the biggest issue is non-Arabic Iran. As Israeli troops move further into Lebanon, and Gazify it, we'll have to make this ongoing - presumably combined with Gaza. Is there a name for a group that consists of Hezbollah, Hamas, Houthi, and Iran, etc.? Nfitz (talk) 02:20, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment How about we post the explosion video on the main page? Fujimori has been there long enough. Bremps... 18:52, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
September 16
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Typhoon Bebinca (2024)
[edit]Blurb: Typhoon Bebinca becomes the strongest typhoon to hit China since Typhoon Gloria of 1949. (Post)
News source(s): [2]
Credits:
- Nominated by High Admiral JMT (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Nominator's comments: Not much strong feelings about this one, but since it is said to be strongest typhoon to hit Shanghai since 1949, maybe we should post it? High Admiral JMT (talk) 02:32, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose We generally don't post items of this nature. Blurbs here tend to be concerned with impact rather than storm strength.
- Noah, BSBATalk 02:39, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. Good faith nom, but this is mostly a trivia. The impact caused by the typhoon isn't notable enough for the ITN. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁=☁=✈) 03:46, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose as trivial. The Kip (contribs) 03:55, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. Bebinca, though meteorologically unusual, is not record-breaking (as was Hurricane Beryl) or exceptionally impactful (as was Typhoon Yagi). Unfortunately, this means that it does not qualify for ITN, as intriguing as this storm was. ArkHyena (talk) 22:34, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose non-notable typhoon low deaths and damages. yagi has good shape, Bebinca is bad shape. 🌀TyphoonAmpil🌀 (💬 - 📝 - Tools) 00:43, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Otis Davis
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NBC Sports
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Article updated and well sourced. Death announced on this date. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 23:12, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support as said above, the article is good and has no issues. Rynoip (talk) 23:36, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support Yeah, article seems to be comprehensive and cited. We can post this. Bremps... 05:45, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support American double champion in track at the 1960 Olympics; he was 92. InedibleHulk (talk) 07:13, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support per above -- good article. UndercoverClassicist T·C 08:47, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Posted – Schwede66 09:09, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Post posting oppose: after clicking randomly, 4 out of 5 refs are dead. 51.154.145.205 (talk) 12:02, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- @51.154.145.205: Fixed sourcing issues. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 12:24, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) Central European floods
[edit]Blurb: Flooding in Central Europe leaves 16 people dead and more missing, as several towns are left submerged. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Severe flooding in central Europe leaves at least 25 people dead and 11 missing, as several towns are left submerged.
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:
- Nominated by Abcmaxx (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Gianluigi02 (talk · give credit), Daß Wölf (talk · give credit) and Borgenland (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Nominator's comments: Article only just created as 2024 European floods was too broad and not detailed enough. Significant for a large part of the continent, one of the biggest floods in the countries affected in history. Storm Boris (2024) and Genoa low articles need improvements too. Abcmaxx (talk) 15:17, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support
until the quality improves.Seems notable for posting though.
- Support
- Noah, BSBATalk 16:00, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment feels like we are creating excessive articles around these topics. Don't see why this can't be part of storm Boris in this case. Masem (t) 17:24, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Masem: Storm Boris is a redirect to a wind storm season article subsection. It doesnt have its own article. Noah, BSBATalk 18:19, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- That subsection is covering the current floods, which seems to be fine. But if there is expansions to be made, that should be the standalone page and not this new flooding page. — Masem (t) 18:44, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- Hard disagree. The precedent here is 1997 Central European flood, to which this being frequently compared to. Firstly Storm Boris is just one of the factors that has caused the flooding. Secondly, given the impact and scale a standalone article is very much appropriate here, even though it is yet to be expanded, however I'm sure it will be expanded easily to such a point that WP:FORKs and WP:SIZESPLITs will be needed anyway. Abcmaxx (talk) 20:44, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- My concern is mostly thus larger trend anound seeming infinite atomization of current event event articles, where editors are given even small facets of larger stories their own article. We want to make the featured article here is sufficiently conpherensive of the cause and effects around the flooding without being too narrow. — Masem (t) 14:07, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Some of the information has been duplicated from 2024 European floods, but as long as that article can be organised by month instead of by country, that can be easily trimmed down to a summary with a {{main}} link. 2024–25 European windstorm season#Storm Boris is more of a mess, but still I don't think the problem here is anything more than poor linking between the three articles. The September floods due to Boris/Anett are without doubt notable -- this has turned out to be an event at least comparable to a 1997 flood. The storm, which might or might not be notable independently of the floods, currently only has a section in the windstorm list. Did I miss a fork somewhere? Daß Wölf 04:31, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- My concern is mostly thus larger trend anound seeming infinite atomization of current event event articles, where editors are given even small facets of larger stories their own article. We want to make the featured article here is sufficiently conpherensive of the cause and effects around the flooding without being too narrow. — Masem (t) 14:07, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Hard disagree. The precedent here is 1997 Central European flood, to which this being frequently compared to. Firstly Storm Boris is just one of the factors that has caused the flooding. Secondly, given the impact and scale a standalone article is very much appropriate here, even though it is yet to be expanded, however I'm sure it will be expanded easily to such a point that WP:FORKs and WP:SIZESPLITs will be needed anyway. Abcmaxx (talk) 20:44, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- That subsection is covering the current floods, which seems to be fine. But if there is expansions to be made, that should be the standalone page and not this new flooding page. — Masem (t) 18:44, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Masem: Storm Boris is a redirect to a wind storm season article subsection. It doesnt have its own article. Noah, BSBATalk 18:19, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- Strong support, likely comparable to the 1997 or 2014 floods once all the information is tallied up, and the article is of sufficient quality. Suggest changing the blurb to "Storm Boris flooding leaves..." to make it immediately recognisable, as the name seems to have taken on in the media. Unfortunately, I wouldn't expect the article to be exhaustive until well after the event. Unlike e.g. Typhoon Yagi, this is affecting at least half a dozen countries with different languages where weather news commonly stops at the country border. When compared to North America and the UK, severe weather events in continental Europe fairly rarely get comprehensive articles on Wikipedia.
- It's also somewhat hard to tell how long the effects will last. The bulk of precipitation fell on already saturated high ground near the sources of Europe's large rivers, so there might be a second wave of flooding downstream, or another if a warm spell suddenly thaws out the newly accumulated snow in the mountains. For example, the Danube might yet flood northern Serbia and easternmost Croatia [3]. Daß Wölf 08:28, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose - article is undersourced as of now ✈ mike_gigs talkcontribs 13:26, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support
article quality needs to improveKcmastrpc (talk) 13:57, 17 September 2024 (UTC)- Most of the {{cn}} tags have been filled in by now. There is an uncited part of a paragraph in Romania and obviously parts of the article are a day or two out of date, e.g. presumably things are happening in Hungary by now, but unfortunately I don't know Hungarian. Wikipedias in other languages have more content and more sources, if someone is interested in going over them with Google Translate or similar and including up-to-date information. I don't have time to fix it further, but I think what we have now shows the scale of the event well enough. Daß Wölf 04:42, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Agreed, article is out of stub status, looks good enough for posting. Kcmastrpc (talk) 16:09, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Most of the {{cn}} tags have been filled in by now. There is an uncited part of a paragraph in Romania and obviously parts of the article are a day or two out of date, e.g. presumably things are happening in Hungary by now, but unfortunately I don't know Hungarian. Wikipedias in other languages have more content and more sources, if someone is interested in going over them with Google Translate or similar and including up-to-date information. I don't have time to fix it further, but I think what we have now shows the scale of the event well enough. Daß Wölf 04:42, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support the article looks good and has the proper amount of citations. This is also a major natural disaster and should be ITN. Scuba 20:49, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support as per above. --Oltrepier (talk) 08:53, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: @Abcmaxx I would suggest you to nominate both 2024–25 European windstorm season and Genoa low to to be listed as Articles for improvement. Oltrepier (talk) 08:56, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support Barely comprehensive enough but comprehensive enough. Bremps... 15:21, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support Widespread flooding affected many countries, and we often don't post ITN items about Central/Eastern Europe enough. OhanaUnitedTalk page 01:40, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support Major natural disaster, article quality is up to par now. The Kip (contribs) 03:53, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support - I suggest posting as a clear consensus is in evidence. International news impacting multiple nations. Jusdafax (talk) 04:33, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Posted. I added File:2024 Most Żelazny w Kłodzku (8), powódź.jpg to the image protection page but if there are alternate image suggestions, please comment below. SpencerT•C 04:01, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Admins willing to post ITN: anyone available to make this change? Natg 19 (talk) 22:49, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
(Closed) European floods
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Blurb: Flooding in Central and Eastern Europe leaves several people dead and more missing, as several towns are left submerged. (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:
- Nominated by Abcmaxx (talk · give credit)
Article needs updating
- Wait - As you said, the article isn't ready. I should say wait for the present to get the article improved, and maybe after some more casualties are noted. Maybe after the floods have finished. High Asmiral JMT (talk) 03:13, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Going by the current article, which covers floods since May, this feels like an inappropriate junction of multiple different weather events, getting in towards synthesis. Would almost definitely need a focus on the page on the storm that actually caused these most recent floods. --Masem (t) 12:06, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
September 15
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September 15, 2024
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RD: Elias Khoury
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): AP News; Al Jazeera
Credits:
- Nominated by Trauma Novitiate (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
According to the Institute for Palestine Studies, Khoury moved between journalism, writing, and teaching. It’s a legacy that can help us to understand the meanings of loyalty, commitment, and Palestine. Trauma Novitiate (talk) 16:54, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality, article has tags for sourcing and factual accuracy. Suonii180 (talk) 23:20, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
Prime time Emmys
[edit]Blurb: At the Emmys, Shōgun wins for Best Drama, and Hacks wins for Best Comedy. (Post)
News source(s): AP
Credits:
- Nominated by Masem (talk · give credit)
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
ITNR but article is no where close to ready lacking any info about the ceremony itself. Masem (t) 13:13, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality per nom, very little prose. The Kip (contribs) 19:38, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Tito Jackson
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): E! Online
Credits:
- Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:6559:FB9D:9705:1874 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
American musician and member of The Jackson 5. 240F:7A:6253:1:6559:FB9D:9705:1874 (talk) 05:44, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support, article is properly cited and looks good to me. 31.44.224.222 (talk) 10:31, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose, In my opinion, he was only popular on the basis that he was a member of the Jackson 5 but as a solo artist he did not make a significant impact.Kampolama (talk) 13:48, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- He is still notable, and thus as an RD line suggestion, there's no question about that inclusion outside of quality. — Masem (t) 12:07, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Kampolama: Anyone with an article is considered notable enough to list as a recent death. QuicoleJR (talk) 13:23, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support Article seems to be in good enough shape. QuicoleJR (talk) 13:25, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support, article is sufficiently sourced. Suonii180 (talk) 13:48, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support Article looks good for posting. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 16:02, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- Unreferenced discography Stephen 00:47, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Overall article is well sourced. One cn tag shouldn't keep that from getting posted. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 05:09, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment, I have added some sources to the Discography section. I think it is ready now. Alexcalamaro (talk) 13:19, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 23:41, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
(Closed) Trump golf shooting
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Blurb: A man is arrested at Trump International Golf Club in West Palm Beach, Florida following his suspected assassination attempt of former U.S. President Donald Trump (pictured). (Post)
News source(s): [4][5]
Credits:
- Nominated by Personisinsterest (talk · give credit)
- Oppose for now. Doesn't look like Trump was in any immediate danger and no shots were fired at him. I also note that there is some surprising ambivalence about the article on its talk page with some even arguing it should be merged into another page. FWIW I think this clearly passes GNG and AFAIK we have articles on all other confirmed attempts on the lives of current and former presidents. But until that gets sorted out, I'd be reluctant to promote this on the main page. -Ad Orientem (talk) 23:10, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose as well. Unlike the assassination attempt in Pennsylvania, nobody was killed or injured. This doesn't have enough due weight to merit a blurb in ITN. JohnAdams1800 (talk) 23:25, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support I don't know what world people are living in where an assassination attempt against a US presidential candidate isn't notable. Scuba 23:44, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose We have opted not to post known-but-foiled assassination/attacks (before anyone got injured) against major political figures, and this seems to fall into that category. --Masem (t) 23:53, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
- Strong Support An attempted assassination on a former president and current presidential nominee is clearly newsworthy, notable and fit for ITN. Dr Fell (talk) 23:56, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose, as no one was killed or even injured. 2604:3D08:9476:BE00:E3:3CA:7026:7EC8 (talk) 00:03, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per 2604 etc. 64.114 etc 00:04, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Multiple past assassination attempts on presidents have been discussed here before (there were multiple on Biden, for example). But if the plots were foiled and no injuries or even structural damage occurred, then they weren't considered to have enough due weight to include in ITN. Unless there's some other exceptional reason to include this that hasn't been presented yet, then I see no reason for this to run. SilverserenC 00:04, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose "shooting" seems very tabloidish, given I've seen no reports that the alleged trespasser ever fired a weapon. And I don't think person arrested with a weapon in the vicinity of a leader (let alone a former leader) is particularly notable, other than perhaps locally. Someone remind me though - when they arrested that nutter in Ottawa who was at Rideau Hall with all those guns, looking to shoot Trudeau - did we post it? That would be a good comparison. Nfitz (talk) 00:33, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- At least based on searching the archives above for keyword "Trudeau", we've only ever run two ITN blurbs for him, for his election and then re-election. So, no, it doesn't appear to have been posted, not unless whatever was run didn't mention Trudeau at all. SilverserenC 00:41, 16 September 2024 (UTC)\
- It looks like it didn't even get a Wikipedia article - surprising given the international news coverage 1, 2, 3, 4, 5; though it is mentioned at Timeline of incidents involving QAnon#Intrusion into Justin Trudeau's residence. It is mentioned at the final attempt of 2020 List of heads of state and government who survived assassination attempts - which seems to show 2 or 3 a year, recently. Which raises the question of how many of those were posted. Nfitz (talk) 01:14, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- At least based on searching the archives above for keyword "Trudeau", we've only ever run two ITN blurbs for him, for his election and then re-election. So, no, it doesn't appear to have been posted, not unless whatever was run didn't mention Trudeau at all. SilverserenC 00:41, 16 September 2024 (UTC)\
- Oppose per above. C F A 💬 00:39, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Not like the other one where Trump almost got killed and others were injured/killed. Nobody was even hurt here.
- Oppose This appears to be more of a concept of an assassination attempt. --Pats2017 (talk) 01:09, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. No shots were fired, and nobody was injured or killed. -insert valid name here- (talk) 01:21, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose appears to be closer to a foiled "assassination plot", as the suspect did not fire any shots, and was (thankfully) apprehended before getting close enough to the former president. Natg 19 (talk) 01:26, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose - unlike the previous attempt, no one was injured. --RockstoneSend me a message! 01:30, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose "Shooting" in the article title is very generous considering not a single bullet was fired towards Trump, No injuries or lasting effects Hungry403 (talk) 02:32, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
RD: Robert F. Titus
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Starrs
Credits:
- Nominated by Toadboy123 (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: United States Air Force brigadier general and fighter pilot Toadboy123 (talk) 23:46, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
- Wait, article needs additional citations. 31.44.224.222 (talk) 10:35, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- Fixed the missing citations. Toadboy123 (talk) 14:16, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support once improved: article also needs a look for WP:NPOV and WP:PROMO. UndercoverClassicist T·C 14:18, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support I don't see any cn tags, article looks good. Scuba 15:25, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support Article looks good. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 23:17, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Decorations are unreferenced. Stephen 23:28, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- I fixed it by adding sources for US military decorations awarded. Toadboy123 (talk) 11:32, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
September 14
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September 14, 2024
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RD: Elaine DePrince
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Cielquiparle (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Jkaharper (talk · give credit) and Ljt96 (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Brand-new article started after her death was finally made public on September 14. She led a very full life as a non-fiction author and mother of 11 children including 9 adopted, 3 of whom were hemophiliacs who died of AIDS, plus Michaela DePrince (who happened to die less than 24 hours before her). Cielquiparle (talk) 16:33, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Fernando Puche
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Málaga CF
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Unknown Temptation (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Spanish businessman, owner of Málaga CF...and convicted tobacco smuggler fined over €16 million. Newly created. All sources in Spanish Unknown Temptation (talk) 20:38, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support Article looks good. Ready to go. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 23:16, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 23:26, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Berit Ås
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NRK
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Oceanh (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Norwegian psychologist and feminist politician, known for articulating the five master suppression techniques. Needs better referencing. Oceanh (talk) 02:48, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support - Nominator has significantly improved referencing since the nomination. There's only one cite tag at the moment for something that does not strike me as super controversial, which isn't sufficient to hold up the article. ~Cheers, TenTonParasol 17:19, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 12:02, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
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